Barbarian Кап на Armor, Physical Resistance и All Damage Taken

[DraG]

Ссылка на барба (http://eu.battle.net/d3/ru/profile/Aegon-2239/hero/25783920)
Хотелось бы узнать какой кап на такое свойство как All Damage Taken Is Reduced by %
По моим подсчетам получается: 135% All Damage Taken
Threating Shout 20%
Ignore Pain 65%
Relentless 50%


Насчет Armor и Physical Resistance тоже хотелось бы узнать.
Armor 64,11% + Physical Resistance 49,43% =113,54

Ах да, и еще All Resistance в среднем + 45%

Если верить цифрам то я должен быть бессмертенн, но увы это не так :ab:

[WOLK]

Резисты у тебя дерьмо, вот и не бессмертен ты. Набери 600+, заметишь разницу. Я никогда ниже 60% на всё не опускал, как бы ни гнался за дамагом. Для милишника это очень важно.
А что касается чудодейственных навыков барба, то они, во-первых, недолговечны: под тем же Игнор Пейном ты не можешь постоянно бегать, его эффект кратковременный; во-вторых, действуют на модификаторы персонажа последовательно. То есть они не суммируются.
Допустим, твоему чару должны нанести 100 ед. урона с учётом резиста и армора.
Срабатывает Релентлесс (если у тебя действительно нужное кол-во хп), и из 100 вычитается 50.
Срабатывает Игнор пейн, и из 50 вычитается 32,5 (65%)
Срабатывает Шаут (он, кстати, почти никем не используемый шлак), и из оставшихся 17,5 вычитается 3,5 (20%).
В итоге остается 14%(ну, или 14 единиц - мы же от сотни считали) демеджа, которые ты всё равно получишь.

Хочешь быть бессмертным - разгоняй лафлич за цифру шесть, и будет тебе счастье.

[DraG]

Благодарю, насчет скиллов все понял, а что насчет Armor и Physical Resistance? У меня уже 113% по идее имун на физ дамаг..

[WOLK]

Как это 113%? Ты что, складываешь армор и физ. резист? Не надо, они тоже последовательно действуют. Надо иметь армор и резист к физикалу не ниже 60%, у тебя же резист к физикалу 49% - это мало. У моего монка долгое время были резы под 70% все, потом всё-таки ради дамага пришлось пожертвовать и остановиться примерно на 65%.

[DraG]

Понял спасибо, шмотом еще пока не обзавелся, я только шагнул в инферно, ауком не пользуюсь.
Если возникнут еще вопросы буду тут писать, как хорошо что ты есть Волк, а то иди попробуй на офф. форуме спроси чтонибудь, в лучшем случае обкидают какашками.

Кстати, есть какииенибудь мысли на что заменить Threating Shout, у меня есть идея, но подожду что ты предложишь)

[WOLK]

Посмотрел по ссылке на твоего барба. Есть предложения:

1). Если используешь Relentless, то 95% времени у твоего барба должно быть менее 20% хп пула. Т.е. ты постоянно должен бегать раненым. А для того, чтобы это было безопасно, нужно накачать количество лайфы до 100к и более.
Честно говоря, проще этот скилл не использовать совсем, т.к. он требует полного пересмотра геара и не дает реально крутых преимуществ. У всех барбов нет проблем с регенерацией фури, нужно просто правильно нажимать три кнопки. А 50% ДР...а так ли они тебе нужны, когда хп мало? Думаю, проще играть с другой пассивкой.
А если играть с этой же пассивкой, но шмот не пересматривать - непрактично получается, лишний слот забит хренью.
2). Дамаг непристойно жалкий, хитпоинтов неприлично много. Я сначала подумал, что у тебя хц барб, но потом увидел, что сц, и сильно удивился. На СЦ всегда кол-во дамага (в тысячах) должно быть больше количества хп. В идеале - больше в пять-шесть раз.
Как с этим бороться? Во-первых, на обоих пушках должен быть сокет. В этот сокет ты должен засунуть по изумруду: как можно лучшего качества. Так ты добьёшься высокого крит. урона. Дальше надо повышать крит. шанс. Купи себе амулет и перчатки с хорошим бонусом к крит. шансу, но не более 8% (так будет одновременно и дёшево, и эффективно).
Обязательно смени пояс: купи себе профильный барбовский пояс с 3% лайф лича, остальные статы - как получится, желательно сила и олл. резист.
На отдельную вещь больше 200к монет не трать! Иначе купишь по неопытности шлак, выставленный на продажу в надежде на лохов.
3). Поставь пассивку Ruthless, она зверски повысит твой дамаг вкупе с вещами, которые я тебе порекомендовал.
Также возьми Bloodthirst, и ты будешь удивлён тому, как повысится твоя живучесть.
Третьей пассивкой лучше всего пойдёт Weapons Master, т.к. она увеличивает урон. А чем больше у тебя урона - тем сильнее отхил, следовательно, повышается твоя живучесть.

При покупке вещей не унывай, если в итоге у тебя окажется не 75к хп, а допустим около 40к. Это не страшно, тебе надо дамаг разгонять и лайф личом обзаводиться: именно это залог успеха, а не жЫрнота, как в Д2.
Френзи смайт - навык для пассивной игры, а твоя задача - напрячь мобов и хилиться за счёт зверских повреждений, наносимых им. Так что смело меняй его на Bash-Punish: он усиливает все твои скиллы.
А вот Marauder Rage как раз не слишком полезный навык, несмотря на свои +30% дамага. Дело в том, что Battle Rage - это основной спирит генератор, на самом-то деле. И для этого надо использовать руну Into the Fray, а также - увеличивать крит. шанс любым доступным способом (это мы уже выше обговорили). 30% крит. шанса хватит для быстрого отката фури.
War Cry-Hardened Wrath неплох, но не с твоими хреновыми резистами. Армор вторичен,резисты - важнее. Поэтому я бы на твоём месте взял бы Impunity.
Когда обзаведешься хотя бы минимальным набором вещей, о котором я упомянул, нужно будет решить, от какого из двух сейфовых скиллов (Игнор пейн и Граунд Стомп) отказаться в пользу дамага. Выбирай исходя из своих предпочтений. А освободившийся слот нужен будет тебе для Berserk-Thrive on Chaos.
Объясняю схему: ты тратишь Фьюри любым навыком (напр., Рендом), она тут же восполняется из-за Баттл Рейджа с руной на восполнение, а этот процесс траты-восполнения откатывает действие Берсерка, и за счет этого можно бегать в Берсерке постоянно. Поэтому у тебя будет одновременно и много критов при атаке, и порядочное количество Фьюри, и бонусы к дамагу с Баша, Берсерка, Баттл Рейджа, Рутлесса, Вепон Мастера...ну и лайф лич, конечно, который превратит тебя в неостановимую машину смерти для монстров.

А вообще - напиши мне в личку, когда будешь онлайн, может я по такому случаю даже зайду в Диабло на три минутки: продам тебе пару вещей по символической цене в десять золотых.

[DraG]

После такого гайда, даже стыдно спасибо сказать, ибо "просто спасибо" тут не достаточно, я буквально сьел каждое твое слово.
Зделал все как ты предложил, и я понял твой замысел, и признаюсь я видел своего барба немного по другому, видел несокрушимого танка, который бьет не сильно но, шарик с хп уменьшается очень медленно, либо не уменьшается вовсе.
Ты же мне показал яростного берсерка с отхилом, и мне этот вариант понравился больше, он эффективнее и динамичнее, да и по жвучести не уступает.
Вообщем шмот купил, и щас еще полазаю по ауку, кстати, у меня был принцип, отказаться от аука ВООБЩЕ, и так я и играл вплоть до 60(4) и было интересно, я все добывал и крафтил сам, каждая вещь имела свою ценность, но к 60му это уже садомаза, у меня нет столько терпения чтобы выбивать амулет с +8кш, +алл рез, +спд и хотябы немного силы, когда можно это все купить на ауке за смешные 15к. Учитывая что на крафт 1 вещи уходит в два раза больше + ресурсы, и, конечно, крафтится шлак. Вообщем аук полезен, но главное не увлекаться слишком, чтобы не превратить игру в работу.
Я добавил тебя в Д3, сегодня весь вечер буду играть, и завтра тоже, буду ждать в игре.

[WOLK]

Никак не могу застать тебя онлайн :) Пиши мне сюда, на форуме, когда зайдёшь снова. Мне неохота заходить в Д3, я всё-таки завязал.

[DraG]

Какое кольцо лучше?

PROVEN TESTIMONY
+82 Dex
+76 Vit
Attack speed 6%
Critical Hit 3,5%
Кстати вот этот экземпляр до 1кк немного не дотягивает.

..или

MORTAL SIGNET
+14 Maximum Damage
+70 Dex
+71 Int
+56 Vit
+51 Physical Resistance
Critical Hit Damage 32%

Волк извини если твой билд немного исковеркал, я переделал его под более спокойный вариант, твой билд направлен на быстрое прохождение локаций, тоесть фарм одного и тогоже круга, где отвлекаешься только на некоторые редкие предметы, я какраз стараюсь этого избегать, люблю спокойно бродить по карте, обыскивать каждый уголок.
Я сменил Спринт на Ренд(Блууд), думаю этот скилл для такого стиля игры будет полезнее, да и отхил никогда не лишний, и еще поменял руну на Урагане, поставил +1 рага за удар, несмотря на Баттл Рэйдж раги всеравно не хватает.. и еще заметил одну странную особенность, если бьешь только одного монстра, то рага не копится, даже при критических ударах, особенно это заметно на боссах. И еще один момент, Берсерк не использую, просто нет в нем надобности, элитка и без него ложится за 4-5 сек, хотя может это из за мп0. Вообщем вот, возможно у тебя есть какие предложения как усилить такой билд, может я что то упускаю..

[Iron_angel]

второе оставляй имхо. А вообще имхо те было бы неплохо взять в руки чё-нибудь по мощнее и двуручное.

[WOLK]

Первое кольцо лучше. Но миллиона оно, конечно же, не стоит. Это хламчик.

Если несмотря на критические удары рага не копится, тут может быть только одна причина - слетел Батл Рейдж. Перекастовывай его почаще.
Вайрлвинд (Ураган) малоэффективен, если у тебя варвар с недостаточной регенерацией фури. Так что можешь и его выкинуть. Хотя тебе на самом деле надо было не билд менять, а крит. шанс и скорость атаки увеличивать, подбором новых вещей.
У тебя, кстати, какой бюджет? Миллионов за 5 совершенно реально сделать мощного барба с 100к урона, 30+к жизней и неостановимым регеном фури.

[DraG]

Нет, Вайрлвинд мне определенно нравится, очень комфортно убивать монстров, вообщем на данный момент тактика такая: делаю 2-3 удара Башем, потом Ренд и перехожу на Вайрлвинд + поддерживаю крики и Ренд. Бюджет золотом 120к и вещи которые одеты на мне гдето на 1кк, не считая твоего копья естесственно. Я почитал все гайды про барба на офф. форуме, впринципе все сводится к одному, это резисты и чем больше урона=больше отхила. Резистов я набрал все по 74% и физический 80% думаю этого должно быть достаточно, теперь надо поднимать урон.. да я читал что такие свойства как кш+ку умножают друг друга, но с чего начать? Ирон Ангел намекает на Скорн.. посмотрел цены, самый дешевый с отхилом начинается от 1кк.. стоит брать или купить что то другое на эти деньги?
Сегодня вечером прошел третий акт на инферно, 2 смерти, один раз попал во фриз, так во фризе и умер, второй раз не мог догнать рендж элиту, в итоге не смог отхилится и умер. Приходят 2 мысли, либо берсерк заменить на стан/спринт либо поискать шмот на скорость бега, ибо у меня она 0 вообще.

[Ares181]

Шмот на скорость ищи однозначно! С нулевым мувспидом бегать это не дело... А берсерк он сам по себе его даёт, да и в целом неплохо апает дпс и ехп, так что снимать его не надо. =)

[WOLK]

Начать стоит с того, что взять крит. шанс со всех источников, на которых он бывает. Это амулет, оба кольца, перчатки. Остальные источники крит. шанса - уникальные, и довольно дорогие для тебя предметы (наручи Лакуни, шапка Мемпо с критом, сетовые комбо, дающие крит. шанс).
Поэтому в текущей ситуации ты должен иметь крит. шанс на обеих кольцах, чего пока ты себе не обеспечил. Дальше надо разгонять скорость атаки. Купи себе штаны Инны с парой дырок под рубины и 9% ИАС. Перчатки могут иметь и крит. шанс, и иас - тебе необязательно брать на них силу или сопротивляемости, эти параметры можно получить с других вещей. Точно так же выбирай себе амулет и кольца: тебе не нужны статы, не нужны резисты, вита, чистый урон, мф - это все вторичные показатели. И даже крит. урон для тебя вторичный показатель, т.к. его можно разгонять при помощи оружия (просто взять пару пушек с дырками и вставить хороших изумрудов). Короче, разгоняй скорость атаки и крит. шанс. Будет 50% крита и скорость атаки 2,5+, будет и успех практически любого билда, который ты сам для себя придумаешь. А тот билд, который я тебе советовал, просто самый лучший, но само собой: чтобы он работал, надо соответствующе экипироваться.

[DraG]

C утра пораньше встал заварил кофе и обдумал все варинты, в итоге вернулся к тому с чего начали, сменил билд на "Торнадо" пошел на аук и купил вещей на ИАС и КШ, с бюджетом в 500к хватило на амулет и наручи. В итоге имеем 46,5% КШ и 2,07 АС, сейчас коплю 1,5кк на штаны Инны, есть пара вопросов, у меня накопилось 500 Iridescent Tear на ауке за них можно выручить 690к стоит ли продавать или подождать до патча 1.08, по идее дроп редких предметов урежут а значит поднимется цена на слезы.. и еще насчет Скорна, боюсь его брать из за низкого АС..

[WOLK]

Скорн пока не покупай. Лучше возьми мой и потестируй, побегай с ним. Он без лайф лича, но понять суть игры с ним ты сумеешь. Используй Ренд, чтобы восполнить себе ХП со Скорном.
Слезы, я думаю, лучше тебе продать. В любом случае, вложенные в твоего варвара золотые окупят себя лучше, чем дурацкое ожидание патча.

[DraG]

Ок, я сегодня весь день в игре, заходи если сможешь, а на что заменить Ренд? Дело в том что я всеже вернул твой билд и матаю круги на третьем акте, очень комфортно играется. Правда Берсерк всеравно редко использую, я понимаю схему с бесконечным Берсерком, но чтобы его поддерживать это надо все время лететь сломя голову в поисках нового пака, а мне нужны деньги и я не успеваю собрать лут.

[WOLK]

Одно из лучших мест для этого билда - 2 уровень подземелья под Bastion Keep. Там очень высокая концентрация мобов на квадратный ярд, так что искать их не придется. А большая плотность мобов обеспечивает быстрое их убийство и как следствие - большее количество лута.

[DraG]

Купил более менее нормальный Скорн за 1,6кк, бегаю щас с ним, чувствую себя террористом смертником, 25к хп и 90к+ урона, отхиливаюсь хорошо, но достаточно одного хорошего тычка и я мертв, резисты тоже упали, теперь их у меня по 640, это 68%, рага копится медленее, но впринципе нормально, надо еще отроботать до идеала правильное нажатие кнопок. Вообщем со Скорном мобы умирают быстрее, но живучесть упала в самое дно. Думаю убрать все рубины и натыкать аметистов..

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